MMMarvel
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PGX bad, CGC good blah blah blah
I am amazed that there are so many diehard supporters of CGC or PGX. Neither company will give answers to questions about their various scandals. I can't understand how people can bash/support one and not the other until they explain themselves. 
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Illiterati
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PGX bad, CGC good blah blah blah
I am amazed that there are so many diehard supporters of CGC or PGX. Neither company will give answers to questions about their various scandals. I can't understand how people can bash/support one and not the other until they explain themselves.
Exactly.
I'm disgusted by the supposed "fans" of the hobby who grumble like surly teenagers about the damage CGC is doing to the hobby, all the while keeping registry sets of CGCed books listed on the website.
I would LOVE to hear a justification for that behavior.
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MMMarvel
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Seems to be a lot of people bashing PGX in that thread (which is very well deserved), but no one is calling CGC on the carpet for the same stuff. I imagine PGX will be out of business soon (as they should be) because of this scandal and CGC will keep trucking along without providing any details of the PCS business or Ewert scandals. There is absolutely no transparency from their business operations to the customers. Also, you have some lawyers over there who want to go after Ewert, but totally ignore his relationship with CGC. I was ready to donate some money to the cause to go after Ewert, but when I heard CGC wouldn't even be considered as part of the lawsuit I didn't. Same for Pedigree comics and his DD #1 upgrade. One could say that Ewert is a BSD that got caught, but there are many that just got away.
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Zipper68
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all the while keeping registry sets of CGCed books listed on the website.
I would LOVE to hear a justification for that behavior.
The CGC Registry was really a stroke of marketing genius. It so perfectly plays right into the egomaniacal, "mine is better than yours" mindset of so many of the uber-HG mindslaves with way too much money at their disposal.
My God, how I wish I had too much money at my disposal. 
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Zipper68
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Seems to be a lot of people bashing PGX in that thread (which is very well deserved), but no one is calling CGC on the carpet for the same stuff.
Far be it for me to defend CGC, BUT...
The thread is about PGX. CGC has taken plenty of lumps in numerous threads. I don't see the need for a thread pertaining to PGX's blunders to contain "equal coverage" of CGC's foul ups.
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MMMarvel
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I know other threads have bashed CGC, but here you have a thread bashing PGX on something CGC is just as guilty of in a CGC forum. I person reading that thread might think PGX is evil and CGC is protecting the comic collecting community. That is just not the case.
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Shield
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I sent a PM to Oldguy asking him when his "Shaken Comic Syndrome" CGC page is going up. 2 days later, no response. 
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SigRollins
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The entire subject of grading services comes down to one undisputable fact. There has never been a grading service that wasn't dealer owned in any hobby. It's just not as profitable to grade collectibles as it is to slab your own collectibles. Alan Hager (noted coin dealer and ACG's largest submittor) recoginized this when "his wife" founded ACG Grading service for coins (1982), and then Halperin and Ivey followed suit with NCI grading service (and of course most of the coins they sold were NCI slabbed...which followed in a 1.2 million dollar FTC lawsuit). I doubt there will ever be a grading service owned by a non-dealer(s). $20 slabbing fees are just not profitable. Buying a 7.5 Golden age book for $1000 and reslabbing it 9.2, then reselling it for $8,000 is very profitable. You'd have to grade 1000 books to realize the same amount of profit you'd make simply by printing a label because you have the keys to the machine.
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MMMarvel
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I sent a PM to Oldguy asking him when his "Shaken Comic Syndrome" CGC page is going up. 2 days later, no response.
I am shocked...shocked I tell you. 
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Zipper68
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I sent a PM to Oldguy asking him when his "Shaken Comic Syndrome" CGC page is going up. 2 days later, no response.
Yes, I think some balanced coverage would be appropriate.
If you want to draw comparisons, The Ewert scam is the Enron scandal compared to the PGX/Leder liquor store holdup.
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OldGuy
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I sent a PM to Oldguy asking him when his "Shaken Comic Syndrome" CGC page is going up. 2 days later, no response.
I apologize. In the flurry of PM's and e-mails I got that week I let this one slip through the cracks. I've sent a reply (feel free to post it here). 
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Shield
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Ok. I like the way you objectively created the PGX page; I'll try to find some books that made me sad when I saw they'd been shuffled around in the slab.
Anyone - feel free to hop in here!
Shawn
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OldGuy
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I sent a PM to Oldguy asking him when his "Shaken Comic Syndrome" CGC page is going up. 2 days later, no response.
I am shocked...shocked I tell you.
I'll say it again. I'd be happy to make a site showing the dangers of slab damage. I just need scans of comics that have been damaged. Also, any suggestions as to what info should be included on the page in the way of information (besides the scans) would be great. The ball is in your court. I look forward to a flurry of information waiting for me in my in box.
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iron_maniac
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I have so many picture examples of SCS it would make your eyes bleed.
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MMMarvel
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I'll say it again. I'd be happy to make a site showing the dangers of slab damage. I just need scans of comics that have been damaged. Also, any suggestions as to what info should be included on the page in the way of information (besides the scans) would be great. The ball is in your court. I look forward to a flurry of information waiting for me in my in box.
I know there were numerous threads with pictures in the CGC boards of SCS. I posted some there myself a couple years ago. Unfortunately, it looks like the threads in the COMICS GENERAL forum only go back a month and those older SCS threads have been deleted. However, I am sure someone across the street has kept some before and after slab damage pics. How did you acquire your information for the bash PGX website? I am sure you can get the SCS information the same way. I sold all my slabs and no longer have pics from a few years ago.
On the bigger scale slab damage is just one of the many scandals that need light shined on at CGC. The opening and the later demise of PCS needs a good looking into. Nobody knows what BSDs were invited to use this service. All we know is the common collectors weren’t given the opportunity. The facts of the Ewert scandal need to be brought into the public. What are serial numbers of the Ewert books? How many were there? Exactly how did they come up with a date range of when the trimmed books were submitted when Ewert has been submitting for years? Furthermore, how can CGC now detect that type of trimming when they couldn’t before? Lastly, like Ewert, do other BSDs get special treatment when they submit or resubmit comics like Pedigree’s DD #1 9.4 that is now a 9.6? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Zipper68
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This is a CGC 9.4
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OldGuy
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I have so many picture examples of SCS it would make your eyes bleed.
I'll sleep better knowing this. Thanks for sharing.
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OldGuy
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I know there were numerous threads with pictures in the CGC boards of SCS. I posted some there myself a couple years ago. Unfortunately, it looks like the threads in the COMICS GENERAL forum only go back a month and those older SCS threads have been deleted.
The threads in the general forum go back almost four years.
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How did you acquire your information for the bash PGX website? I am sure you can get the SCS information the same way.
I asked for people to post it or e-mail it to me. Doing that here has gotten me one picture. I could make a web page with that one picture....
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The opening and the later demise of PCS needs a good looking into. Nobody knows what BSDs were invited to use this service. All we know is the common collectors weren’t given the opportunity. The facts of the Ewert scandal need to be brought into the public. What are serial numbers of the Ewert books? How many were there? Exactly how did they come up with a date range of when the trimmed books were submitted when Ewert has been submitting for years? Furthermore, how can CGC now detect that type of trimming when they couldn’t before? Lastly, like Ewert, do other BSDs get special treatment when they submit or resubmit comics like Pedigree’s DD #1 9.4 that is now a 9.6? Inquiring minds want to know.
Send me all the info you have on these issues and if there is enough I'll make websites until my fingers bleed. Do you think I have mole inside CGC that will just hand me this info? Come on, get real. Provide me with some solid info on these topics and I'll get to work. Or better yet, why not make a web page of your own?
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MMMarvel
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I know there were numerous threads with pictures in the CGC boards of SCS. I posted some there myself a couple years ago. Unfortunately, it looks like the threads in the COMICS GENERAL forum only go back a month and those older SCS threads have been deleted.
The threads in the general forum go back almost four years.
Not a computer wiz here, but I only see 19 pages in the comics general forum. If they do go back 4 years then I search should be able to be performed on all the SCS threads with pics.
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How did you acquire your information for the bash PGX website? I am sure you can get the SCS information the same way.
I asked for people to post it or e-mail it to me. Doing that here has gotten me one picture. I could make a web page with that one picture....
 Did you ask in the CGC forums or just here?
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The opening and the later demise of PCS needs a good looking into. Nobody knows what BSDs were invited to use this service. All we know is the common collectors weren’t given the opportunity. The facts of the Ewert scandal need to be brought into the public. What are serial numbers of the Ewert books? How many were there? Exactly how did they come up with a date range of when the trimmed books were submitted when Ewert has been submitting for years? Furthermore, how can CGC now detect that type of trimming when they couldn’t before? Lastly, like Ewert, do other BSDs get special treatment when they submit or resubmit comics like Pedigree’s DD #1 9.4 that is now a 9.6? Inquiring minds want to know.
Send me all the info you have on these issues and if there is enough I'll make websites until my fingers bleed. Do you think I have mole inside CGC that will just hand me this info? Come on, get real. Provide me with some solid info on these topics and I'll get to work. Or better yet, why not make a web page of your own?
OG, 90% of the information on those scandals are in the CGC or STLComics forums. If a person could do a search on any of those scandals all the knowledge they need would be there.
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jokersrevenge
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The CGC Registry was really a stroke of marketing genius. It so perfectly plays right into the egomaniacal, "mine is better than yours" mindset of so many of the uber-HG mindslaves with way too much money at their disposal.
pesonally, I resemble that remark. BUT, I really have no concerns about the types of restoration that are currently nondetectable. it's just a hobby. 
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OldGuy
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OG, 90% of the information on those scandals are in the CGC or STLComics forums. If a person could do a search on any of those scandals all the knowledge they need would be there.
Then get on it. Send me what you find and I'll take the time to put it all together in a way that makes sense and create a web page.
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MMMarvel
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As stated before. I only see a history of a months worth of posts in CGC forums. You stated there are 4 years worth. If there are 4 years worth of posts do a search. I can't because I don't see them. I only see a month. Maybe only certain people have access to 4 years worth? I can understand if people are not as hot to do any research for an anti-CGC webpage as a anti-PGX webpage because their loyalties might be with CGC. Guess you didn't ask the same sources for information on the anti-CGC webpage as the anti-PGX webpage, correct? If your research for a anti-CGC website begins and ends with me to be your only provider of information then I guess you aren't that interested in it. Please continue to bash PGX and give a blind eye towards CGC scandals if that is the case.
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Shield
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I would do it but I don't have the time to spare right now. I'm working full time, taking two classes in school, parenting class, Lamaze coming up, etc etc
Oh and arguing with my wife about her spending today. 
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MMMarvel
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Congratulations on the soon to be addition to your family! I am moving soon myself. Just bought a house. Hope to start a family soon.
I would gladly search CGC forums for the threads about SCS, PCS, and Ewert if I had that ability. Unfortunately I don't.
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SigRollins
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I would do it but I don't have the time to spare right now. I'm working full time, taking two classes in school, parenting class, Lamaze coming up, etc etc
Oh and arguing with my wife about her spending today.
When in doubt, Kegel! And remember, men should Kegel too! Kegelling is everybody's responsibility:
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