MMMarvel
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I read a lot of DC archive books and it seems to me for the most part the writers/artist of that era were patriotic and wrote pro-American stories showing our Superheroes beating the snot out of the Nazis and the Japanese. Today it seems that most writers lean to the left or hard left and love to bash America in general or the Bush administration in particular. It would be nice to see a positive patriotic comic where our heroes destroy the Islamic terrorist the United States is fighting today. My guess is the liberal weenies writing comics today just don't have a good guys (Americans) versus the bad guys (terrorists) story in them. More likely to see a story where America is the bad guys and the terrorists are freedom fighters.
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Timulty
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One could see the writing, as an outcropping of Watergate. The writers today were the children of the late 60's to Late 80's. Clear distrust of presidential power was a given. You should check out some of the 9/11 tributes that out there. That's about as patriotic as it gets.
Also, I think no publisher has balls enough to brace the topic head on. The outcry from the Islamic community and PC perfectionists would be too loud.
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MMMarvel
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The only 9/11 mainsteam book I saw was ASM vol. 2 #36. That is it. It would be nice to see the Avengers in Iraq kicking insurgent butt. Maybe have them save some innocent hostages right before the Islamic terrorist are about to cut their heads off.
There have to be some conservative writers born out of the Reagan years. Maybe, like Hollywood, it isn't safe for a conservative to be openly conservative and have a job at Marvel or DC.
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Timulty
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I don't think it is so much that as the Editorship at both. I think, they don't want to cause a stir. Joe Q at Marvel should let one get written. I don't see DC going there. Wait a sec, there was a story in Ex Machina(DC/Wildstorm) about the Great Machine saving one of the towers on 9/11.
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I don't think it is so much that as the Editorship at both. I think, they don't want to cause a stir. Joe Q at Marvel should let one get written. I don't see DC going there. Wait a sec, there was a story in Ex Machina(DC/Wildstorm) about the Great Machine saving one of the towers on 9/11.
Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff like that out there. I don't know that the material is particularly "right" (no pun intended) for comic books, though.
Escapist fantasy should be just that. Besides, the logistics of the presence of a superhero in the now-running Iraq war just wouldn't add up and ultimately might trivialize the whole mess.
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That's a good point Ill. I would personally, like to see more comics along the lines of the 40's war comics but those comics were also tools of propaganda. I don't know if the readership of today wouldn't see right through it. Still it would be nice see Superheros kicking Al Qaeda Ass!!!!
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MMMarvel
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That's a good point Ill. I would personally, like to see more comics along the lines of the 40's war comics but those comics were also tools of propaganda. I don't know if the readership of today wouldn't see right through it. Still it would be nice see Superheros kicking Al Qaeda Ass!!!!
If you want propaganda check out the new FF #536 page #3 "CNN. America's Most Trusted Network." I don't know the issues off the top of my head, but there are numerous examples of Marvel showing Bush or his administration in a not so favorable light. Would it be such a task for Marvel or DC to be pro-American or pro-troops without taking cheap shots at Bush?
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Well, Bush is being blamed for delegating Katrina relief efforts to someone who should, in no way shape or form, been involved. I don't think it is good form for any company to take a potshot at just one branch/leader of gorvernment.
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"Ex Machina" deals with the 9/11 attacks in a very interesting way and it is a recurring theme throughout the book.
And it's a damn good book, to boot!
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Timulty
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On a different note, I remember a more patriotic take in books such as Batman, in the 80's. Even Death in the Family had some of that going one. Starlin did that story line right?
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I see Sgt. Fury with the Howlers on the splash page attacking Afganistan. Fury says, "Lets bomb 'em back into the stone age". Izzy Cohen, throwing a grenade says, "This oughta do it".
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MMMarvel
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Isn't Sgt. Fury and the Howlers a Marvel Monster comic? I looked at the short preview that was in some comics a few months back and it looked kind of corny. I haven't read the Marvel Zombie books either. I am just looking for a book that will show something like Wonder Woman killing OBL instead of the Black King in Crisis.
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Actually SGT. FURY AND HIS HOWLING COMMANDOS is considered a classic Marvel war title. In the opinion of some fans of the feature, the early stories by Messrs. Lee and Kirby were considered the strip's best.
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Actually SGT. FURY AND HIS HOWLING COMMANDOS is considered a classic Marvel war title. In the opinion of some fans of the feature, the early stories by Messrs. Lee and Kirby were considered the strip's best.
I know of Sgt. Fury in the Howling Commandos from the 60s and 70s and I agree they are considered to be good. Now the recent Sgt. Fury in the Howlers where they are a group of werewolves or something I haven't read except for the sneak preview that was in some recent Marvel mainstream comics. Not the type of comic I am likely to buy and read because I think the concept is corny for my tastes.
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If you want propaganda check out the new FF #536 page #3 "CNN. America's Most Trusted Network." I don't know the issues off the top of my head, but there are numerous examples of Marvel showing Bush or his administration in a not so favorable light. Would it be such a task for Marvel or DC to be pro-American or pro-troops without taking cheap shots at Bush?
The entire crop of current Marvel writers have nothing but contempt for the Bush Administration. From Captain America to FF to the Ultimates, the administration -- characterized by a shadowy Bush or Cheney like leader -- is the **real** villain. If anyone can name a writer who is an exception, please let us know.
It boggles the mind that these people can overlook the evil of Islamofacism and instead focus on the perceived corruption and evil of the U.S. administration. Their view of the U.S. administration is cartoonish at best and demonstrates all the political sophistication of an MTV News segment.
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If anyone can name a writer who is an exception, please let us know.
The only thing you are going to hear is the sound of silence because Marvel and DC have a liberal group-think when it comes to ideology. Their businesses reside in the biggest liberal Mecca of all where Dems out number Reps by 7 to 1 and those Reps are usually of the RINO type. In their defense, they probably think what they are saying is mainstream because everyone they know thinks the exact same way.
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If you want propaganda check out the new FF #536 page #3 "CNN. America's Most Trusted Network." I don't know the issues off the top of my head, but there are numerous examples of Marvel showing Bush or his administration in a not so favorable light. Would it be such a task for Marvel or DC to be pro-American or pro-troops without taking cheap shots at Bush?
The entire crop of current Marvel writers have nothing but contempt for the Bush Administration. From Captain America to FF to the Ultimates, the administration -- characterized by a shadowy Bush or Cheney like leader -- is the **real** villain. If anyone can name a writer who is an exception, please let us know.
It boggles the mind that these people can overlook the evil of Islamofacism and instead focus on the perceived corruption and evil of the U.S. administration. Their view of the U.S. administration is cartoonish at best and demonstrates all the political sophistication of an MTV News segment.
True. The idiots who create comics need to worry more about focused, linear storytelling and less about political statements made through poorly constructed metaphors.
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kelso
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I agree with Timulty on the reasons why there aren't any overtly patriotic comics being published today. Knowing that more than quite a few of DC's and Marvel's books are translated into many languages and appear in some Muslim dominated countries, anything that comes off as anti-Muslim would give various Islamic extremist groups a major anti-American propaganda tool.
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DC's and Marvel's books are translated into many languages and appear in some Muslim dominated countries, anything that comes off as anti-Muslim would give various Islamic extremist groups a major anti-American propaganda tool.
I think you are reading way too much into it. I don't buy into this argument.
You're basically saying that rather than risk the book becoming an anti-America propaganda tool used by the Islamofacists, they will make the book an anti-American propaganda tool used by Americans. 
The answer is that most artistic types that live in NYC are very liberal and despise Bush and everything he stands for. They don't see the Islamofacists as the "problem"; to them, U.S. "imperialism" is the problem.
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The only thing you are going to hear is the sound of silence because Marvel and DC have a liberal group-think when it comes to ideology. Their businesses reside in the biggest liberal Mecca of all where Dems out number Reps by 7 to 1 and those Reps are usually of the RINO type. In their defense, they probably think what they are saying is mainstream because everyone they know thinks the exact same way.
BINGO.
I lived and worked in NYC for 15 years. You could fire a cannon down the street and not hit a conservative. The best you can hope for is a moderate liberal.
In my time in NY I learned to not bother to exchange in political debate. As you say, because they and everyone they know thinks the same, they think that EVERYONE thinks the same way and, hence, it is the NORMAL way of thinking.
These are people that literally don't know anyone that owns a gun or does something like hunt. These are people that are still baffled that GWB won because they literally don't know one person who voted for him.
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MMMarvel
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These are people that are still baffled that GWB won because they literally don't know one person who voted for him.
The majority of the people that work in the MSM like ABC, NBC, CBS and the NY Times (all based in NYC) would fall into the same catagory.
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